My eyes have been focussed on Ireland as they voted in a referendum to change their constitution to broaden the definition of marriage in that country.
“marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two persons without distinction as to their sex”
Just so we’re clear, it’s not gay marriage nor is it the right to marry a dog, several hundred other people or a bridge. It’s the right to contract in accordance with the law the right to marry another person. You could be gay, straight, bisexual, transgendered or just plain and simply you. All you need is another single person and you can get married.
There has been much celebrating in Ireland and around the world. It’s historic as it’s the first country to vote on marriage equality. Of course, there are those that are upset about the result, such as Lyle Shelton – head straight man at the Australian Christian Lobby – scared of anything that isn’t just like him. He very quickly published a media release to tell everyone else just what we should be thinking! He sums up his whole approach right there in the headline:
Irish marriage referendum a blow to the rights of children
He seems to ignore the 18 countries where it’s ok to get married and guess what, the kids are ok! He’s not focussed on the Royal Commission on Institutional sex abuse where the rights of kids have been ignored and destroyed. Nor has he focussed on the rape and abuse of asylum seekers. No, no, he in his writings suggest that gay people are somehow causing harm to the rights of children.
The redefinition of marriage and family in Ireland this weekend is a wake-up call to Australians who value the rights of children and freedom of belief.
Yes, it’s a wake up call – the decision has been made by the people. Not by a few lobbyists who head an outdated religious lobby group. Of course, family has not been redefined in Ireland. Just who is allowed to get married, and even then, it’s not so much as a redefinition, but simply a small adjustment. Opposite-sex couples are still able to marry. As to the rights of children, last time I check my two were still ok, as are my nephews and nieces. No impact at all. Also, it’s Sunday today, no churches have been harmed so freedom of belief endures.
The Australian Christian Lobby is disappointed that the Irish movement to redefine marriage, funded by $16 million US dollars, has succeeded at a national referendum today.
ACL Managing Director Lyle Shelton said, “Over $16 million US dollars has been provided to organisations to deliver same-sex marriage over a period of 12 years in Ireland.”
Actually Lyle, that would be illegal. Foreign entities may not fund or donate to Irish referendum campaigns. It is rather naughty of you to suggest it, especially since you seem to ignore the counter claims that the No vote has been funded by extreme right-wing American fundamentalist organisations.
Mr Shelton said despite the result in Ireland, Australia was different and he called on parliamentarians to carefully consider the consequences for children and to freedom of conscience.
“Australia should not pass a law which forces millions of Australians to pretend that a same-sex couple with children is the same thing as a mother and father with children.
Lyle is right – we are different. Our marriage act can be changed by parliament. No referendum is needed. In fact, it was former Prime Minister Howard, ably assisted by the current PM Abbott that changed the marriage act to make it clear that in Australia marriage is between one man and one woman for life. It’s ok, you can ignore the ‘for life’ bit if you like and get a divorce, but you can’t ignore the man and woman bit.
As to this rather silly notion that the law will force millions – millions I say – to ‘pretend’ that there’s something wrong with the kids of gay couples. I mean really Lyle. What are you going on about? You do know that already there are plenty of couples who aren’t married raising children? Some of those couples are married overseas but their relationship is not recognised here. And some of them are same-sex parents. And guess what – their kids are ok! Perhaps you should go and meet with some of them to find out how well they’re doing.
“The redefining marriage movement in Ireland made a big effort to downplay the rights and interests of children, which ought to be at centre stage of all public policy.
The No vote played this game very well and made it front and centre of their campaign. And guess what? The rest of Ireland saw through it and told them how silly they are.
“Because marriage confers the right to form a family, it will be very difficult to resist further law changes allowing the exploitation of women through commercial surrogacy.
No, marriage does not confer that right. We have a right to form a family and plenty of people do that without marriage. Even those who get married may choose not to have children. Surrogacy is an issue that is quite separate from marriage equality. In fact, the attempt to wave a red flag about the exploitation of women while talking about marriage equality is a nice attempt at distraction. The two aren’t connected.
“The only way the benefits of marriage equality can be provided to two men is to reform surrogacy laws so they have open access to donated women’s eggs and through the provision of ‘carrier’ wombs.
Uh huh. Benefits of marriage equality? What has this to do with two people getting married? It would seem Lyle that you are suggesting that the reason people get married is to have children. I don’t understand what makes you think this is a benefit of marriage as it can and does happen outside marriage. Surrogacy again is a separate issue not connected with marriage equality.
“While some same-sex couples are already acquiring children through various means of assisted reproductive technology, this does not make severing the primal bond between a child and their mother or father right.
Acquiring? Are you talking about a couple of women – you know, lesbians? Nobody acquires children. We have them. You also turn a blind eye to those thousands of children already adopted by same-sex and opposite-sex parents. This is the reality now and has been for a very long time. Quite frankly Lyle, this is a furphy.
“Marriage equality abolishes in law and culture the idea that, wherever possible, children have a right to both their mother and father.
Perhaps you can point to which law and which culture that says a child has this right. When you’ve found it then please embark upon a campaign to remove children from single parents, divorced parents and same-sex couples. Of course, marriage equality does not abolish anything of the sort.
“If gender matters for company boards and jury selection, then how can we deny that it matters for parenting?”
Mr Shelton said the freedom of Christian and Islamic schools teaching the truth about gender complementarity in marriage would likely come into question if marriage was redefined.
You forget about the Jewish faith. And so it should come into question. You seem to be of the misunderstanding that christian and islamic schools have some sort of truth that places them outside reality. They don’t. What you’re saying is that homosexuality is morally wrong according to your ‘truth’. Time to get out and face the reality that there is nothing wrong with being gay, there is nothing wrong with being straight. How long must the rest of us sit back and allow you to use your religion to deny reality? The world isn’t flat anymore Lyle.
People providing services to the wedding industry, who because of conscience declined to participate in a same-sex wedding, would risk being punished under Australia’s anti-discrimination laws.
OK. So we don’t yet have marriage equality in Australia – so this isn’t really an issue. However, I would hope that if you are a baker, for example, and your website says that you make wedding cakes, then that’s what you do. If a couple arrives and you refuse to make a cake because of your conscience, then I’d suggest you are probably in the wrong business and if you are breaking the law then you should be prepared for the consequences. Are you really saying that religious people are outside the law? We get to work with lots of people every day and we don’t get to discriminate based on our conscience. It’s how we get along in life Lyle. And my suggestion to you is that you take a good hard look at your opposition to gay people getting married. The thing that is driving your protests is your christian belief. Let me quote it for you straight from your bible:
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
So, if you want to talk about the right to exercise your religious conscience – is this what you mean?